how did the president's comments -- how did they change the debate over the nsa program? or did they change the debate? >> they changed the debate some. if you look back two months ago when the snowden information first came out, he struck a defiant tone. he essentially said nothing's wrong here, no one's looking at your phone records. he sort of questioned what the debate was about. if you look now, there was a voting congress, the majority of democrats said they wanted to defund this program. if you look at these changes, michael hayden is right, the program has not been changed. the president didn't say the program did anything wrong. that said, he has moved to where he's now conceding there's a public uprising, both among conservatives and liberals, and trying to find a way to square the circle, make people who are traditional allies of the president like dick durbin, and ron wyden, he's trying to talk them through that, while defending the program overall as well. >> president obama friday again strongly condemning snowden's actions. this is the exchange that he had